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Blanket statement...there is no specifics in this to explain what that means...just very general...Again the twisting serpent comes in to discount what was said and to defame all of us for telling the truth...Keen you keep this up and you very well may be the first person who is banned here...those who speak out of the perceptions of the lust of the flesh as if it is true are the ones who profane God's Holy Name and His Holy Works...Again you falsely judge...you judge people, who tell you the truth, of the very things you yourself do...

Also the Lord wanted me to tell you this...

No person here condemns Todd Bentley...The word of God condemns him...if he doesn't walk in the truth and perverts THE WAY and teaches others to do the same then he stands condemned by the word of God alone...we just point out what God's word says...nothing more...if you choose to reject it as the truth then you too stand condemned by the Word for your own choices...

My mom was at a Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship recently, where Todd Bentley's dad gave his testimony. Well, suffice it to say, both my mom and I HIGHLY doubt that Todd's dad is even saved. He bragged about how rich he is, since he's been working for Todd's ministry, and stuff like that. He gloried in his past sins, and never mentioned his actual salvation once, or how he came to repentance. What kind of testimony is that?

As I've said before, Todd's testimony goes something like this...
1. A minister threw a bible on his lap and told him to point
2. Todd points to a scripture that applies directly to him
3. Todd says something to the affect of "WOW, how did you do that. I want to be able to do that. How can I do that?".

So, essentially Todd's entire experience with God has been surrounded with a desire for signs and wonders, rather than God. Yashua was very discreet when talking to people like Todd. When asked how they can work the works of God, Jesus said "This is the work of God, that you believe on Jesus Christ whom He has sent." In saying this, Jesus was effectively throwing their desire for signs and wonders out the window. He explicitly showed that we are not to seek after such things.

I agree, it may be a course of action that may be worth taking at some point. When people show no sign of change, repeatedly, after being corrected over and over, the Word says to turn them over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in the hopes that they will be saved.

Lets drop this one into Admin forum and discuss it. ???

I think we may be onto something...

J

lead the way J

Also I want to add some more scriptures concerning those who are not content with God's word but need the facination of the supernatural counterfeits...
Psalm 78

1Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.

2I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

3Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.

4We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.

5For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:

6That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:

7That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:

8And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.

9The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle.

10They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;

11And forgat his works, and his wonders that he had shewed them.

12Marvellous things did he in the sight of their fathers, in the land of Egypt, in the field of Zoan.

13He divided the sea, and caused them to pass through; and he made the waters to stand as an heap.

14In the daytime also he led them with a cloud, and all the night with a light of fire.

15He clave the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths.

16He brought streams also out of the rock, and caused waters to run down like rivers.

17And they sinned yet more against him by provoking the most High in the wilderness.

18And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.

19Yea, they spake against God; they said, Can God furnish a table in the wilderness?

20Behold, he smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can he give bread also? can he provide flesh for his people?

21Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel;

22Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:

23Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven,

24And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.

25Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

26He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power he brought in the south wind.

27He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea:

28And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations.

29So they did eat, and were well filled: for he gave them their own desire;

30They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths,

31The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.

32For all this they sinned still, and believed not for his wondrous works.

33Therefore their days did he consume in vanity, and their years in trouble.

34When he slew them, then they sought him: and they returned and enquired early after God.

35And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

36Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues.

37For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant.




The point is that in this so called "revival" there is no contentment for the word of God and thankfulness for the life Jesus Christ gave us and the gift of the HS alone...there is no real contentment with just knowing Him and doing His will...but to have supernatural experiences that are not in line with God's word...Just like the Israelites were not content with the manna from heaven that God provided for them...they wanted more and more and more...and God gave them to their desires to fill up on...and it provoked the Lord to wrath...God have mercy on this generation that is not content with Jesus alone and His word to make us into His image of holiness....





Awesome word Trent...for anyone that needs to see the actual scriptures for this quote here it is...

These are awesome scriptures!!!

John 6:25 When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, "Rabbi, when did You get here?"
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.
John 6:27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."
John 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
John 6:30 So they said to Him, "What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work do You perform?
John 6:31 "Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, 'HE GAVE THEM BREAD OUT OF HEAVEN TO EAT.'"
John 6:32 Jesus then said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven.
John 6:33 "For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world."
John 6:34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, always give us this bread."[/b]
John 6:35 Jesus said to them, [b]"I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
John 6:36 "But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.
John 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
John 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

EVERYONE WHO BEHOLDS THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE...NOT BEHOLDING ANGELS OR REVIVALS OR SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCES OR MEN THAT BRING STRANGE FIRE (demonically inspired supernatural experiences that provoke the Lord)!!!!

dude you guys dont see how sick and wrong that is? youre gleeful in publically discussing banning me. thats probably the most hurtful and unchristlike thing ive ever known that hurts my friends. or i thought you were friends. you know that is wrong. over a PERSON we disagree over an evangelist, may he be true or false, that doesnt matter, it doesnt make you or me true or false. i for one love Jesus Christ and lay down my life daily unto the cross.

you know i call up trent every month or so and he gives me the cold shoulder? when i just want some advice from my brother and spiritual father..he is casting me out..

wow bro. just because you dont like, and dont say you do, you havent liked me since the beginning, i could tell, and on the skype calls etc. i noticed your remarks youd make from time to time, and all the time i brushed my shoulders off and let it slide over me, but the Lord bless you...

Still I am sad for you this is no Spirit of Christ ...

Michael, we have shown nothing but love to you, for two years. We do not "WANT" to ban anyone. But we cannot allow people to continually spread lies, and false teachings, false ministers, etc. It has to stop at some point or another. No, I do not believe Candy, or Jason, or anyone else desires to ban you for the sake of banning you. We have been very AFRAID for you for these two years. I was in instant fear for you, the moment I met you, and it has not ceased yet Michael.

Perhaps you're right, we shouldn't discuss it publicly. But, you must understand, this is "Narrow Is The Way" forum, not the "Free For All Christian" forum.

Maybe you can just take a break for a few days, and we can talk about these things.

None of that is true.... I do not know how you ever perceived me that way.... Sorry bro. Not sure what to tell you.... Even on the phone I never would have thought you seen me this way.. .. .. Or on skype.

You got me man....

J

een no one is doing what you are believing...no one is acting "gleeful" over discussing banning you...I put out there a warning of how you continually support false ministries and their false teachings...Jason makes mention that we should discuss this on the admin board..I said "lead the way J"...there was no glee in discussing whether we may ban you...in fact it is heart breaking to even have to warn you of that...

You only put out one liner sentences or very short paragraphs...you don't give more detailed explanations but very general blanket statements...you don't answer peoples questions...you don't put some scriptures up that support your view...but you do throw out posts that are in the flesh that are provocative...The majority of people on this forum believe that what Todd Bentley is shoveling is totally false and not of God..that it is anointed of the devil not of God's Holy Spirit...you fall into the sins of the flesh (and there are some you don't see) then when we have told you about it you say you have repented and that "your back with God" only to go right back to supporting false teachers and their teachings and strange fire...can you explain to me how this is "back with God"? According to my bible I don't see this as being "back with God" but still in rebellion to His ways...because these things produce rebellion and the steal your mind...they take away your desire for the truth and replace it with a love for the counterfeit supernatural as if it is of God...Trent has not been giving you the cold shoulder as you would believe..and the advice him and all the rest of us have given you you take lightly...you act as if we are being religious and that we are being judgemental and not walking in the love of Christ...but what you don't see is that all these things you have tried to portray about us as being religious, judgemental, not walking in the love of God is actually what you are doing...love is not some superficial thing...the love of God stands firm on His Truth from His perception of it..not standing on what men teach in the church...Love will endure long and is patient...we have been enduring long with you and have been patient...in fact at times your disrespect for some of the members of this forum at times has put us in a very hard place...because people didn't understand why we let you do the thing you do on this forum...but we were walking in the love of God with you by being long suffering...showing you patience...

We all love you very much...but we are commanded to not love you more than Christ...when it comes to Christ and the brethren as a whole that we fellowship with here we have a responsibility to deal with situations and even people if they become continually contentious with the peace and unity of the Spirit among the brethren...We do not take those things lightly...we have given you much freedom on this forum because you are young and immature...It has never been our desire to do harm to you...but to continually point you to Jesus in hopes that what we have said to you would cause you to steer away from what is false and know the Son of God for yourself...that has been all of our desires here on this forum...the Lord knows that we are greatly concerned for your spiritual life...but if there is no true repentance and consistency in faithfulness to the Lord Jesus but only contention how can we walk together in that? If you don't take to heart the things we have all said and choose to look at what we have said as if it is religious like the pharisees instead of the truth how can we walk together unless there is an agreement? We are not wanting you to necessarily agree with all of us...but agree with the truth...but you don't...you agree with false teachings...So how can we walk together unless there is agreement?

no i am not into false teaching. ok ill take a break. love you too you two. and you jason too. sorry man for taking you wrong. ill believe you and give you the shadow of the doubt

THUMBS UP??? thats glee to me.

how come nobody is on IM? or have i been blocked on there?

I am rarely on IM or Skype anymore, just too busy and tired by the end of the day. Anytime I'm on just holler at me.

J

This is not glee about you Mike...This was just my way of telling Jason if he felt the need to discuss things furter in the admin section that he needed to be the one to start the thread...

You say you are not into false teaching yet you support on RS and on NITW what Todd Bentley is practicing and the so called Revivals in Lakeland as of God...This is promoting false teachers and their teachings...No one has blocked you on IM...I usually use Yahoo! IM...because my MSN seems to have problems at times...Yahoo IM is more consistent for me...plus I went to bed around 1am...most of us have been going to bed much earlier than before...us old folks can't stay up as late as we used to...we have alot of responsibilities and our bodies need the extra rest to tackle those responsibilities the for the next day...

Someone had asked you on another thread to post your testimony...I agree that it would be good if you could take the time to post your testimony of how you yourself came to the Lord and what transpired in your conversion to Christ...If you could do this for us sometime that would be great...