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Does he have Tatoos too? If he does I suppose I could step over to the next town where George Fox University is and tell by the onslaught of students with tatoos....

BTW.... my post is nothing other than something... Just shoot-n the breeze... My funny way to mention something of someone I only know the name of.... Just me 'ing

You guys still hung up on TB?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama_(Budd ... _mythology)

if you search for "大衞王" on google a lot of stuff about king david does come up so it's possible that's what it means - king david?

Back tracking a little to page 1.

The fact is that some supernatural things are holy, other supernatural things are unholy.

They are either one or the other. Unlike natural things there is no neutral in the supernatural realm, only that which is of the Holy Spirit and that which is of Satan.

The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is saying that things that are of Him are of Satan. As Jesus' enemies said He was popssessed when He healed and cast out demons by the Holy Spirit.

The opposite error is just as damaging, though probably not unforgivable.

Which, by the way, may be a good reason for not giving up on Keen just yet.

That's why DISCERNMENT is so important.

What I can't understand is why Bro Keen seems unable to even see that the "angel of light" version of the demonic exists, let alone be willing to face looking at the possibility (obvious to most of us as fact) that he and others are playing around with it, imagining it's of God.

Hi Shadow...

I never heard of Todd Bentley either, until his "ministry" started being discussed on this forum. However, it didn't take the information about tattoos to convince me that he's not operating by the HOLY Spirit.

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that Chinese or Japanese writing "is really just spells and demonic", only that this particular tattoo might be to do with this demon "Emma", that is disguised as an angel of light and that Tod Bentley claims to have met.

I did comment (on another of these threads?) that we need to be careful re using tattoos as such as evidence that someone is into wrong areas.

There's plenty of other evidence however.


Jeannette

Yeah...I have found the same thing too cheeseburger...I also found this link too...which shows the same same kanji symbols/writing and says "BIG GUARD" ...but it looks like an advertisement for a remote to a wireless alarm system...

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.big-guarder.com.tw/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E5%25A4%25A7%25E8%25A1%259E%25E7%258E%258B%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS248%26sa%3DG

I also found this for the middle symbol 衛

[url]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/衛[/url] (because of the symbol on the end I cannot get it to create a link so you will have to copy the link there and paste it to the url in your browser to view the link)

But this is what is said there

It is quite possible that the writing could mean Emma-O in kanji. Names are written differently than other words in kanjii so it can get confusing.

Names, are "spelled" phonetically based off of the sound the kanji has. Which gets very confusing when you start dealing with different spoken dialects. Because it can be the same name but with different symbols.

Western names are even more confusing, since we have a fair amount of sounds they do not.

My buddy however, is currently unreachable for a bit, due to training and whatnot. But I will respond when I get the chance.


As for Mr. Bently. I just went and read the stuff on his website. Umm wow. I really like the part where you pay him 6k CDN money to work for free supporting his ministry. In fact I am now inspired to do the same, but at a bargain price rate. For a mere $199.99 (easy payment plans available) I can give you the true Shadowsbane experience. Cooking, shooting things, and arguing with people on the internet can all be yours. PM me for details. Limited spots available!

THAT was HISTARICAL Shadowsbane!!!

You know the quote, "God loves a cheerful giver"? The word translated "cheerful" is the word we get "hysterical" from in English!

Well, there's apparently a lot of giving and a lot of hysteria in Todd Bentley meetings, so that figures.

I have a mental image of Todd Bentley, with Emma in tow behind him, like one of those helium baloons; laughing hysterically all the way to the bank.



That sounds fun. Do you have any places for next year?

But I can argue for free, and not sure I like shooting things, unless they're already dead, or never been alive...

Can I have a discount, and just do the cooking?

Come to think of it, dead things smell, and are usually "crawling". Is the same true spiritually?

"Emma" sure stinks of sulphur!

I'm getting a bit weary of the whole stinky sunbject, but Keen was so keen on spiritually stinky stuff that we had to try and rescue him from the hyaenas like Todd Bentley and angels who are really vultures (like "Emma").


Yes, this is a very serious matter really, but if we didn't laugh sometimes we'd never stop crying.

It's called "comic relief".

Even Todd Bentley himself is a dupe of Satan. "Emma", assuming she's real, has shark's teeth and will tear him to pieces one day, unless he repents and lets the Lord rescue him...

Jeannette

Our training schedule is open year round. Just stop on by at anytime.

Cooking and shooting in the shadowsbane experience are related however. How else are you going to get your food?

I don't really want to debate whether Todd Bentley is operating in the demonic or not, but I'd like to clear something up.

The translation of the kanji symbols is King David. It might be confusing because it is written using the Japanese version of the symbols 大衞王 to mean the Chinese word 大衛王 (either that or its an even older variant of the symbol that I only found in a Japanese dictionary). Japanese and Chinese do have slight symbol differences, which is why when you do a Google search, it includes the various ways to write the same symbol (you also notice this happen with simplified and traditional Chinese characters). Thus Google searches for "大衞王" bring you to "大衛王" and make some people wonder if they mean the same thing or not. THEY DO. I personally assume 大衞王 to be an archaic Japanese spelling as well, as the archaic word for Jesus was the same as the Chinese. As for the actual Chinese translation, 大(da)=big, 衛(wei)=defense, and 王(wang)=king (I think the Japanese pronunciation would be "daie-ou" (hehe, that just used every vowel!), but that is only an educated guess because Japanese is WAY harder to figure out the pronunciation of as it has both original Japanese pronunciations of words and the original Chinese pronunciation of the characters to deal with.) Thus we get Dawei and Wang, Dawei being the Chinese way to say David and Wang meaning King. Of course, there is always the off chance that Todd Bentley had a good friend named David Wang (both being common names, it is possible), however, the fact that Wang is a Chinese surname makes me wonder why they would use a variant of the symbol more common in at least Japanese dictionaries to spell the name David.

As for the 大 looking like the symbol from the Blair Witch Project, I would like to point out a couple things: 1.) anyone who has studied Chinese/Japanese would say they are only vaguely related as they have completely different stroke counts and 2.) the Chinese written language has been around for well over a thousand years in one form or another, so if anything the Blair Witch symbol looks like the Chinese symbol, not the other way around. As for the Enma Daiou 閻魔大王 reading of the symbols, this is easy to explain. To the untrained eye who only knows a few characters and has seen something like Dragonball, they may notice the 王 and think it must represent Enma, the King of Hell in Japanese mythology, as it is often written on his head in pictures. If they try to investigate a little, they will find the 大 in the name of Enma. All they are looking at is the title. 大王 would be read as Daiou, simply meaning, "big king." Thus, any king could actually have this same mistake happen to them, as, well, kings are generally considered to be pretty big in significance, if not size. Unfortunately for King David, his has 大 in his given name, thus the mistake.

Also, I've heard this a couple times lately so I have to wonder, why do people think that Chinese written language (and thus also Japanese written and traditional Korean written) is demonic in origin. It is a bunch of symbols that originally looked like pictures of the basic items they represented. Eventually they were stylized and then they put the symbols next to each other to give them similar meanings or pronunciations. Thus, the symbol for forest is 3 tree symbols. The word for bright is the moon next to the sun. The symbols for "mama" have a horse in them because horse is pronounced "ma." What is demonic about this? Is it the entire language in general? Spoken and written? Someone please give me references!

That's all I really wanted to say. It just upset me that the Pat Holliday website had an article on tattoos that so completely didn't try to investigate the one item most obvious: the meaning of the Japanese characters. And the references are so poor that half of them can't be found. It made me completely not want to trust them ever again (which, I only saw the site after my brother asked me to read the tattoo, so I probably won't be reading much from it anyways). I just wish people would do a little more research before trying to condemn someone for something they simply misunderstood and are teaching it as truth to others. Note: I still don't know whether Bentley works in the demonic or not, but the tattoos did nothing to convince me. The ones they posted (stolen from this site? this was a reference...) were made too small to see or made so large they were pixelated. Granted, they were weird, but that's all. The "Medusa" they have looks like a man with wavy hair, the upside-down Jesus is on an ARM, the skull in the rose is freaky, but doesn't seem to have anything to do with an oni, which are usually shown as red, two-horned demons, and the monkey in the beard is on a way too pixelated picture to tell what it may or may not be.

Sorry for semi-raving about a different website on this forum, but as you were a reference I thought I should just inform you of what the Chinese symbols meant. Mayhaps I'll even stick around and read some more of the forum than this. Hope nobody felt offended in anyway, though I don't really see what would have been offensive.

Yeah, we kind of came to that conclusion when doing a google search. See an earlier post, not sure which one.

Thanks.

Yeah, I noticed that, but people still seemed slightly unsure about it, which is why I elaborated...a lot...that is one huge post to explain 3 characters...I'll stop talking now...

You're welcome!

Yeah, you made my eyes glaze over when I started seeing Japanese symbols.

I'm like "Okay, guess I'll just have to trust her, cause I REALLY don't want to read all that crazy stuff".

lol i took japanese in school, lets cut the racism, PLEASE, its just a language, like our english okay. lol. it's not all this hogwash about goblins n ghosties.