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A friend sent this to me...Well we can all rest now...Peter Wagner and Stacy Campbell has given the approval that Patricia King's doctrine and theology is not in error...

http://www.extremeprophetic.com/conflict_home.htm

Well I guess she's been tried and found true.

Classic case of "Blind leading the blind".

yeah...that MUST be it

So I guess because the 'great' Peter Wagner who is the 'head apostle' of all apostles says so? Give me a break...Yeah I'm with you Baobab...THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND!!!! Gee...I guess if the devil himself came looking like a human being and said he was a christian should we go along with that too huh? Or if Peter Wagner said that this man, who was satan posing as a believer, was a man of God I guess we should believe the great apostle of all apostles, Peter Wagner, over the witness of our spirit with God's Spirit that says differently eh? I mean Peter Wagner is above being deceived himself, right? I mean who are we to question Peter Wagner or Patricia King

Satan lies and uses people in the church to approve of other believes who are under satan's spell to the rest of the sheep so they will follow those who are exalted among men as "men of God" like what they say is the standard and "thus says the Lord"...like we shouldn't question what they say just blindly follow because they are in lofty positions that men recognize among themselves...keen it doesn't surprise me that you would be the first to post a comment that would totally go along with this as if it is totally true...I say let the Spirit of God bear witness to others the truth...We don't need Peter Wagners stamp of approval...Did Peter Wagner suffer without food, clothing, shelter, prison, physical beatings from fellow country men, ship wreck, etc for the sake of the gospel? Its kind of like the story of the little Red Hen...when she needed help with getting all the materials to make bread no one would help her do the hard work...but when the little Red Hen had done all the hard work that was involved to make the bread and it was ready to eat then everyone wanted to partake of the finished product of just eating the bread...well I don't see many of these well known "men of God" willingly going through the kind of suffering the Apostles of the Lamb and Jesus Himself went through in order to partake of the glory and awesome works of the Spirit of God to obtain HIS approval on their lives....they are actually just wanting to partake of the glory and miraculous and being known among men for something but not enduring through the kind of hardships and trials partaking of Christs suffering in order to have HIS approval on their lives...nah...its easier to just get the approval of men instead...

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John 12:43 For they loved the approval and the praise and the glory that come from men [instead of and] more than the glory that comes from God. [They valued their credit with men more than their credit with God.]

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John 12:43 for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God.

Keen, you are just tooooo funny.

pssshhhh, pssssh, I, pssssss, pssssh, deem, pssss, psssh, Patricia, pssss, pssssh (head shaking violently), ORTHODOX.

if you guys don't believe in heaven then i can't help ya

Believe in heaven? What does heaven have to do with deception, other than it's diametrically opposed to it?

I think its the other way around here Keen...If YOU don't believe in heaven, or the truth, then we cannot help you...Do you know what the word "PERVERTED" means?

Here is the heart of what God sees to be perverted...
Is 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!



1 Sam 8:3 His sons, however, did not walk in his ways, but turned aside after dishonest gain and took bribes and perverted justice.

Greens Literal Translation
2 Sam. 22:27 With the pure, You will show Yourself pure, and with the perverted You will appear perverse.

Prov 8:13 "The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate.

Prov 10:32 The lips of the righteous bring forth what is acceptable, But the mouth of the wicked what is perverted.

Prov 17:20 He who has a crooked mind finds no good, And he who is perverted in his language falls into evil.

Jer 3:21 A voice is heard on the bare heights, The weeping {and} the supplications of the sons of Israel; Because they have perverted their way, They have forgotten the LORD their God.

Jer 23:36 "For you will no longer remember the oracle of the LORD, because every man's own word will become the oracle, and you have perverted the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God.

Hab 1:4 Therefore the law is ignored And justice is never upheld. For the wicked surround the righteous; Therefore justice comes out perverted. (or twisted)

Titus 3:10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
Titus 3:11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.


Perversion means to twist...to exchange what is good for what is evil...to call pure and holy what God says is profane..Perversion in God's eyes is when His ways are twisted by fleshly men who walk according to the dictates of their flesh and carnal mind but think they are walking in the Spirit...People who call something good and to be approved and accepted what God says is an abomination...If God says something is a lying sign and wonder, then men who call themselves christians, instead call it a sign from heaven end up perverting the truth and profane the holy things of God...If a man puts his own approval on something that God is warning people to steer clear of then that man IS NOT walking by the Spirit of God but by a spirit of perversion and teaching others to follow what is perverted in God's eyes...It is to call what God says is a lie and of antichrist the truth and of the Spirit of God...If you continually fall in sin over and over again thinking God is so happy and in a good mood towards your sinful life think again...Those who follow another spirit, another gospel, another Jesus and call it all of God actually bring the contention and division because they have believed a lie and walk diametrically opposed to the truth and the Source of Truth...This is an abomination in God's eyes...when we follow the words of men who are perverting the purity of God's word and the operation of His HOLY Spirit then we have turned away from God in reality and are in idolatry...in doing this we also have not learned to know His ways but mans ways as if they are God's ways and become familiar with mans ways believing it is the Holy Spirit guiding them...that person unless he repents and totally denounces the idolizing of men and destroy that foundation to seek God with their whole heart to only focus on His word and knowing what the truth actually is he will remain profane to God...though God will love Him despite that mans choice to go after his own perverted ways as if it is God leading him...This is delusion and deception at its highest...which this kind of person is a ripe candidate to be used by the devil to kill others and thinks he is doing a God service... to do the devils works in deceiving others and being deceived himself....

Keen this has been your behavior and perception to many of us who have befriend you and pleaded with you to turn away from these things and know God Himself so that you will be saved...yet you continue to fall and stumble and grope about in the darkness thinking all is okay.

Prov 4:19 The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know over what they stumble.

Many have warned you over and over again...Many have told you the truth yet you refuse to heed their warnings...you have been duped by people who are very easy to see in the light that are not sent of God but become a snare to you and never seeing it as such...yet you fall head long for the snare...you have continued to walk in your own pleasures than walk in the righteousness of Christ...You call lust love...you call what God says is an abomination good and acceptable...you eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and do not even know that is what you are eating from...the bible says that the wages of sin is death...that the carnal mind is at emnity with God...that the flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit wars against the flesh...

John 3:19 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

Prov 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.

Prov 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Prov 24:7 Wisdom is {too} exalted for a fool, He does not open his mouth in the gate.

Eccl 10:3 Even when the fool walks along the road, his sense is lacking and he demonstrates to everyone {that} he is a fool.

You must repent (turn away from) all these false things that you have become accustomed to calling "good" or "of God" or "heaven" which is actually profane and ungodly and perverse in the eyes of God...

1 Cor 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump {of dough?}
1 Cor 5:7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are {in fact} unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.

lol yeha i stumble around in the darkness and grope. lol

I apologize for being sarcastic. That was before I repented. Public condemnation IS found in Scripture, so

Its forgiven

Didn't anyone here watch the stacy campbell video? I thought that would be at least a little funny.

Well this is the first that I have heard of this ministry but I would caution some restraint in condemning right off the pop. They are taking efforts to be accountable and transparent to the body as a whole which does indicate that they are not going the my way or the highway route.

Any ministry that tries to do the will of God properly will come under spiritual attack and will be maligned. To give an example I know of a bible smuggler that took a stand against pornography and actually managed to get some laws passed in his country controlling the distribution of the stuff with the result that playboy ran an article about the blue eyed gun runner which was taken up by many other Christians as proof that he was smuggling guns, not bibles etc. Character assignation is all too common and the world rightly says that the Christian army has a habit of stabbing its wounded in the back. Let us not be one of them.

When it comes to doctrine and prophecies there is always going to be hackles raised. Look at the book of revelation. There will be as many interpretations as there are studies. Yes everyone will agree on the main points but the chronological order of events and who the last day player will be are always in dispute and will continue to be so until the events actually start to unfold. Then it will be like reading your morning paper.

Likewise with this ministry, if they are doing the lords work then do not be the one that helps break it down. But if they are going into error then you should be able to pick out specific points and be able to compare them against specific scriptural records and be able to say with certainty that this is in error and needs to be addressed.. If these people are going way out of the ball park then there should be no end of specific items that can be brought forward as proof. But to just condemn as a blanket statement should not cut it with the saints that are to be vigil and looking out for the Lords work.

I agree with you Traveler, it is good to have proof. But, these types of ministries are extremely difficult to nail down. Like Todd Bentley's ministry for instance teaches third heaven visions, and that you can have them whenever you want. They teach it the same as the new age does. One woman in particular was supposedly listening to the teaching, when a demon pinned her down and tried to take possession of her. She called out to Yashua, and was immediately free.

Patricia King makes many wild prophecies similar to Psychics, such as generalizations and such. Of course when they come true, it makes people actually believe that the prophecies were of God, instead of the flesh.

Anyhow, so many of the judgments against these ministries are only provable spiritually. You can't necessarily pick up the word of God and say "see, that's where they are wrong", because they are students of the bible (but not God's Word), and believe the same things that almost anyone else does. I mean even these third heaven vision things are not necessarily disprovable, because we know Paul had it happen to him. And there doesn't appear to be anywhere in the bible that it says not to try and have these experiences, does it?

Have you watched the Stace Campbell video yet Traveler? The one where she's flailing her head back and forth, supposedly under the Holy Spirit? At best, it's her flesh. At worst, I don't want to go there.